2006-07-19 Conference Call Minutes

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Conference Details

Draft Agenda

  1. Choose date, nominate convener, moderator, scribe for next meeting.

    1. No august meeting

    2. Next scheduled meeting is September 6, 2006

    3. convener Alan

    4. scribe Jonathan

    5. moderator Gary

  2. Governance - call for consensus. Hear from people (Gary, Joanne, Ken?...) who couldn't make it to the 7/5 call.

    1. Gary: No serious objections. A few wording changes and additions.

      1. Additions: Committment to open source licenses/open sources for LGPL/Creative Commons

      2. Dissemination guidelines to encourage the use of BioPAX

      3. Don't like the word "Governance"->"Community process". Don't like "must" prefer "are"

      4. "Membership" -> "Participation"

      5. Participant implies commitment.

      6. Chris agrees with spirit, wants the changes that Gary suggested.

    2. Joanne Luciano:

      1. agrees with I support changing the word membership to participation

      2. I'm not fully in support of requiring a commitment from participants. I think lurkers are good and have their moments

    3. Alan:

      1. Chris (and Emek) understand that governance means grants and website controlled by community

    4. Ken Fukuda:

      1. Fear that the wording is too formal for open source community

    5. Jonathan:

      1. Object to wording changes. Want Prescriptive, not descriptive Governance doc

    6. Alan:

      1. Object to wording changes.

    7. Consensus: Dissemination guidelines and possible wording changes will be discussed in the future towards making it more friendly to open source community.

    8. The governance page has been adopted by all parties.

  3. Development status

    1. Validator

    2. OneOfSeveralValuesPrototype

    3. Validator_BioPAX_Access_via_SPARQL

    4. CardinalityPrototype

Skype transcript

[11:55:01] * Jonathan A Rees invited alanruttenberg frankschacherer jeremyzucker joanneluciano kenfukuda sergentpenguin
[11:56:49] * Jonathan A Rees invited emekdemir garybader
[12:02:12] Jonathan A Rees Ping (no need to respond)
[12:02:24] Alan Ruttenberg hi all
[12:03:30] Joanne Luciano am i supposed to hear you on skype?
[12:03:57] Elgar Pichler no voice over skype as far as I know
[12:04:23] Andrea Splendiani ok I'm in.
[12:04:30] … Do we have a conference call now ?
[12:05:11] Elgar Pichler yes we are doing a TC
[12:05:20] Andrea Splendiani Ok. Logging in...
[12:05:21] Elgar Pichler today's TC: http://biopaxwiki.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/2006-07-19_Conference_Call
[12:06:33] JeremyZucker Hey Andrea!
[12:03:34] Joanne Luciano can you say something?
[12:07:29] Jonathan A Rees ping joanne
[12:07:42] Alan Ruttenberg is gary on the tc yet?
[12:07:51] Gary Bader yes
[12:07:57] Alan Ruttenberg cool
[12:08:11] Elgar Pichler hi Gary - can you dial in too
[12:08:18] Gary Bader 8) 
[12:09:43] Alan Ruttenberg frank, are you going to join the tc?
[12:09:44] JeremyZucker 
Attendees:  
 * Jonathan Rees 
 * Elgar Pilcher
 * Alan Ruttenberg
 * Gary Bader
 * Joanne Luciano
 * Ken Fukuda
 * Jeremy Zucker
 * Andrea Splendiani
[12:10:06] … (sorry, Elgar Pichler )
[12:10:53] Dr. Frank Schacherer I'm in India, my cell does not work (Cingular...), and the hotel phone is _really expensive, so I will just follow the chat...
[12:11:14] Alan Ruttenberg what's the weather?
[12:11:28] Joanne Luciano Hi Frank!
[12:11:52] Dr. Frank Schacherer In India? It's actually quite nice .. supposedly would be Monsoon now, but instead it's nice and sunny ... hi Joanne!
[12:16:51] Jonathan A Rees proposed: sept 6 for next meeting (too many aug conferences + vcations)  - assent
[12:18:07] Elgar Pichler governance: http://biopaxwiki.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/BioPAX_Governance
[12:18:38] Jonathan A Rees convener alan, scribe jonathan, moderator gary (right?)
[12:18:41] JeremyZucker  1. Choose date, nominate convener, moderator, scribe for next meeting.
    a. No august meeting
    a. Next scheduled meeting is September 6, 2006
    a. convener Alan
    a. scribe Jonathan
    a. moderator Gary
 
[12:18:59] Jonathan A Rees jeremy - thanks, i was just impatient. go for it.
[12:26:47] JeremyZucker   a. Gary: No serious objections.  A few wording changes and additions.
     i. Additions:  Committment to open source licenses/open sources for LGPL/Creative Commons
     i. Dissemination guidelines to encourage the use of BioPAX
     i. Don't like the word "Governance"->"Community process".  Don't like "must" prefer "are"
     i. "Membership" -> "Participation"
     i. Participant implies commitment.
[12:29:36] Joanne Luciano I support changing the word membership to participation
[12:30:09] Jonathan A Rees we should here from... ken? joanne?
[12:30:12] … hear
[12:30:14] Joanne Luciano I'm not fully in support of requiring a commitment from participants. I think lurkers are good and have their moments
[12:33:39] Andrea Splendiani Johanne: lot of noise on your voice. It's only  me getting it ?
[12:33:41] Jonathan A Rees i called his assistant on the phone, she said she'd put it in front of him with a july 19 deadline
[12:33:58] * Alan Ruttenberg invited matthiassamwald
[12:37:02] JeremyZucker   a. Joanne Luciano:  
     i. agrees with  I support changing the word membership to participation
     i.  I'm not fully in support of requiring a commitment from participants. I think lurkers are good and have their moments
 a. Alan:
    i. Chris (and Emek) understand that governance means grants and website controlled by community
 
[12:37:37] Joanne Luciano is anyone else getting noise from my line (as Andrea reports above)?
[12:37:42] Gary Bader yes
[12:37:45] Alan Ruttenberg a bit
[12:37:46] Matthias (a silent hello to everyone)
[12:37:47] Jonathan A Rees how about "are to be" instead of "must"?  "are" is descriptive, and might be empirically false
[12:38:12] Alan Ruttenberg agree about "are to be" versus "are"
[12:38:12] Joanne Luciano what kind of noise is it?
[12:38:20] Jonathan A Rees "must be listed" becomes "are to be listed"
[12:38:41] Joanne Luciano I agreee also to change "must" to "are"
[12:39:19] JeremyZucker agree on "are to be" vs. "are"
[12:40:04] Alan Ruttenberg one question to decide what to do now is to see what can be done later give what we have. Anything that can be done later should be in order to move this along.
[12:41:02] JeremyZucker prescriptive vs descriptive
[12:42:20] Joanne Luciano jeremy - an important point I made is that the community "own" the project and the process and than not any one individual or institution or consumer or provider overpower the community
[12:43:12] Jonathan A Rees "we agree that decisions are to be recorded..."
[12:43:59] … There's no discussion of penalties at all.
[12:44:34] … We're agreeing with one another about how to do things. If someone does something differently later, we say nothing about what happens then. That's OK.
[12:45:56] JeremyZucker How about "decisions are recorded (unless they aren't. But if they aren't, then it isn't an official decision of BioPAX)"
[12:46:52] … We define BioPAX as the set of agreed upon behaviors
[12:47:19] … Gary is also representing Chris and Emek's views.
[12:48:19] … Governance -> community process
[12:48:25] … must -> are
[12:48:31] … membership -> participation
[12:49:03] Jonathan A Rees I don't like 'participant'   because it's less abstract (committal) than 'member'
[12:49:12] Gary Bader Participation is encouraged and open to all interested. Active participation implies some commitment to conitribute.
[12:50:50] JeremyZucker I don't understand the difference between member and participant, but if it will encourage consensus to say participant, then I'm willing to go with it.
[12:50:54] Jonathan A Rees so only active participants  can help make decisions?
[12:51:21] Andrea Splendiani depends upon the definition of "active"....
[12:52:08] Jonathan A Rees "member" is defined by the document - not meant to be exclusive
[12:52:25] JeremyZucker Argument by Gary:  membership does not have the same connotation as participation.  Would like participant as it sounds less exclusive
[12:53:02] Jonathan A Rees Question:  Is the governance document  an advertisement, to bring people in?
[12:53:09] Andrea Splendiani Can we come to conclusions on some part of the document only ?
[12:53:33] Gary Bader How about this?  Open source licenses that are academic and corporate friendly are used for all work created by the group. We currently use the Creative Commons attribution license for documents or LGPL for code.
[12:53:55] Jonathan A Rees Why not agree on this independently?
[12:54:08] … Governance doc doesn't have to be comprehensive
[12:55:52] * Alan Ruttenberg invited chrisnorthbear
[12:57:17] Alan Ruttenberg hi christian
[12:57:55] JeremyZucker Constitution instead of Governance?
[12:58:13] Andrea Splendiani Holy Bible ? 
[12:59:28] … Can we accept the curent version WITH the note that a listed set of issues will be addressed later ?
[12:59:50] Joanne Luciano i call for a vote
[13:00:12] Jonathan A Rees we've already voted, everyone except gary (maybe chris by proxy) says yes.
[13:00:12] Joanne Luciano i call for adoption of the "governance" document
[13:00:40] Andrea Splendiani I think opensource "note" can be added now.
[13:01:26] Alan Ruttenberg Open source licenses that are academic and corporate friendly are used for all work created by the group. 
[13:02:18] Joanne Luciano I agree (and previously stated) that we can addopt the open standard note, but the important thing is that we get consensus on governance and go forward
[13:02:24] Jonathan A Rees My only objection to open source statement would be if it were too concrete. (naming particular license etc)
[13:02:42] Alan Ruttenberg i removed the part about the specific statement.
[13:03:21] Joanne Luciano Jonathan, would a general statement that we are committed to open access and open source?
[13:03:37] Jonathan A Rees I think this is OK.  should have been discussed amonth ago
[13:03:46] Andrea Splendiani I think it's ok.
[13:04:25] Jonathan A Rees ok
[13:04:53] … Gary, I picture your "community process" as a separate document
[13:05:34] Matthias Looks good to me, too.
[13:07:19] Joanne Luciano Gary, speaking of dissemination... friendly reminder that you promised to forward the book chapter by you, Chirs and Mike as promised a few months ago :-)  :)   Thank you!
[13:08:05] Jonathan A Rees no no's
[13:08:24] Joanne Luciano isn't that no nos ?
[13:08:44] Alan Ruttenberg no nos is good nos
[13:08:50] Joanne Luciano :-)
[13:08:57] JeremyZucker   The governance page has been adopted by all parties.
[13:09:04] Jonathan A Rees add "publications" to representations ection? any objections? or next time?
[13:09:09] Joanne Luciano horray!   (dance) 
[13:09:53] Alan Ruttenberg http://biopaxwiki.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Validator_BioPAX_Access_via_SPARQL/OneOfSeveralValuesPrototype
[13:10:04] … http://biopaxwiki.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Validator_BioPAX_Access_via_SPARQL
[13:10:07] … http://biopaxwiki.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Validator_BioPAX_Access_via_SPARQL/CardinalityPrototype
[13:11:16] Elgar Pichler cheers everyone - have a great summer!
[13:11:28] Alan Ruttenberg you too!
[13:11:29] Matthias bye.
[13:11:38] Andrea Splendiani Bye. Habemus constitutione.
[13:11:48] … ops constitutio.
[13:11:58] … My latin is not so good anymore....
[13:12:09] Dr. Frank Schacherer you too!
[13:12:27] Joanne Luciano By Elgar and THANK YOU for your membership :-)
[13:12:31] … i mean participation
[13:12:49] … leadership
[13:12:50] Matthias will the chat be closed now or is there time for some after-show chat?
[13:12:57] * Gary Bader left the chat
[13:12:59] Joanne Luciano chat away
[13:13:03] * Elgar Pichler left the chat

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