Working on this...
Participants: Joanne, Ken, Alan, Gary, Andrea, Ranjani, Jonathan.
Agenda
1. next meeting details
2. Governance
3. Level 2 fixups
4. Barry Smith Workshop
5. Website updates
Next meeting (1)
Date: December 6
Convener: Alan
Moderator: Gary
Scribe: Andrea
Proposals (3)
Genetic interaction. Fixed issues with CVs.
Alan: put somethimng on the wiki
Gary: by december
Gene regulation: no updates
URIs and CVs: Alan will put a link to a presenation for HLSG
State and generics: issues discussed on the mailing list
Governance (2) (Alan)
Would be useful to have a list of thing to do in the domain of governance
Alan: Solicit funds
Alan: Administer funds
Alan:
![[WWW]](/wiki/modern/img/moin-www.png)
http://www.biopaxwiki.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Tasks_and_Decisions
Web page administartion
Workshops
(workshops organization)
Jonathan: i.e. when alan announces, is he doing it on behalf of biopax?
Which are he procedures to set up a biopax workshop ?
Issues: asking people for money or announcing on behaf of biopax or not.
Joanne: we may need a procedure to set-up "biopax" workshops
Jonathan: it's to mutual benefit of biopax & the workshop for workshop to be biopax
Which is the difference between a biopax and & non-biopax workshops ?
1) above 2) foundings (asking for)
18:24 Emek joined
Berry Smith Workshop (4)
focus/goal: better understanding of biopax ontological issues.
Joanne: should it be a subgroup activity ?
Idea: define Barry Smith workshop and "exploration workshop". Outcome is a report ton the group.
Alan: ok
Exploratory workshop should be able to be organized by people proposing them.
The same for funding.
Alan:
1) expectations and outcome are clear
2) Brought up at conference call for approval
3) Approval/consent for funding communications and announcements
4) Encourage community to organize "Exploratory workshops" to research area of interest and relevance
Alan: expectation of reports but not decisions from these workshops
note: organizing an exploratory workshop could be a contribution from "outside" (get involved)
Gary: 1-3 is general for all workshops - #4 is a type of workshop
There should be a point of contact for organizing a workshop
Jonathan: please, each workshop should have a convener (holder of the lock / truth for this workshop) convener decides whether its snow date, etc
Joanne: i don't understand 'whether its snow date"
Jonathan: whether the workshop is canceled because of foul weather
A workshop must have a resposnible to the rest of the group.
Wiki about a workshop should be endorsed ?
It is useful to endorse a page for documentation.
alan: Expectation is that workshop point of contact pulls in other interested people to help work on it
About Barry Smith biopax exploratory workshop:
alan: Will write announcement, send to admin list, wait 1-2 days. Then send to biopax list
Alan can send and announcement, others can contribute with reviewing.
Jonathan: hey, that was a delegation of authority!
minimum funds: 2k$ (about) (for the speaker, not for participants)
problems: 1) money on behaf of biopax ? 2) How to "manage" funds.
options: A) money to Alan's name. 
money to Sloan Kettering. C) Money to biopax bank account.
Jonathan: would we need taxpayer and employee identification numbers? also, biz account setup costs money (about $60 when I did it recently)
Gary: best option A, C can be critical (possible abuses)
Joanne: pro C.
Gary Bader: A is easiest administratively.
Gary Bader: There is risk in A and C
Jonathan: what about BPC? do they have a bank account? (BPC=biopathways consortium)
Gary Bader: Having an incorporated institution handle funds has the least risk
joanne: no, iscb holds their funds
science common ? complicated.
Joanne: and some of BPC money is currrently be held by MSKCC (the DOE funds)
Jonathan: no reason for alan not to open an account in the name of biopax (or biopax boston)
gary: did this for cytoscape and it was complicated
Joanne: which kind of complication ?
gary: formed a nonprofit, in order to open an account without risks
an account opened on behaf of participiants is risky.
Joanne: which risks "here" ?
Jonathan: question: what damages could be awarded by a court?
Alan temporary solution: open an account "biopax-boston" administred by him (taking risks).
Gary: no problem for an exploratory workshop. May not be legal under name of biopax
Andrea: fine for next workshop (pragmatics)
Jonathan: would biopax sue alan?... could they win? no, there's no trademark protection here
Will this work for fundings in next workshop ? (maybe constraints from the sponsors)
Ask Elgar.
Alan: Will decide whether to use personal or new account "biopax boston" to handle funds for this workshop. We will work on a more robust solution for future.
Ken: 18:58 i have to leave. good night.
Andrea: Maybe a biopax letterhead is needed.
Alan: yes
Jonathan: Let's let Alan figure out all these issues (letterhead, barriers to payment, etc)
Alan: that's my understanding.
Websiste update (5)
Emek Demir: 19:01 I have to leave too - sorry - have a lunch appointment..
Problem: the website doesn't look well.
Alan: beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Jonathan: why does web site need to look good? who are we trying to impress?
Andrea: Issues: main site is old.
Andrea: One possibility: use just the wiki.
Gary: Problem: looks bad.
Jonathan: why does it matter how it looks?
Alan: I second jonathan's question.
Alan: http://fugo.sourceforge.net/
Alan: http://obo.sourceforge.net/
alan: use "obo" style
Gary: not a small task need someone as a web developer.
Alan: http://sbml.org/index.psp
sbml page is a good example.
Jonathan: i have made a moinmoin wiki that has the home page in the wiki (i.e. there is no string "/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/" cluttering the url). ... FYI
Idea: wiki with access lists for the front page.
Alan: first update content, then (if there are solutions) think about graphics.
Jonathan: OK, I gotta go. Have fun & I hope the skype chat persists even after i close it!
Andrea: outcome: andrea will propose some prototype solutions.